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PostSubject: Revelations 6:12-13   Fri Nov 18, 2016 11:17 pm

I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as late figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind.

Possibly the sun and stars denote the apostate Israel and it's affiliates. The moon represents Islamic countries.
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PostSubject: Re: Revelations 6:12-13   Sat Nov 26, 2016 2:16 pm

Looking forward to it..
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PostSubject: Re: Revelations 6:12-13   Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:57 pm

It's going to be a long one...but here's some foundation to the crazy theory (just a theory).

Arguments against literal interpretation of Revelation 6:12-13:

a. In additional to Revelation 6:12-13, 6:14 indicated that the sky receded like a scroll.
i. Would the 4th trumpet, which announced that "a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark. A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night" be sounded prior to or at the same time as the opening of the 6th seal? It could not happen after the 6th seal as the sky had already receded.
ii. What does "the sky receded like a scroll mean? Was it referring to the atmosphere?
iii. What would happen if any star (not meteor but star) falls on earth based on our understanding in science?

b. The 4th bowl of God's wrath was way after: The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and the sun was given power to scorch people with fire.

c. Has Joel 2, including verse 10, been realized? It seems, as Peter said the outpouring of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost was spoken by Joel 2:28-32. There was no record of the sun and the moon being darkened during the invasion of the Assyrians and Babylonians. Would Joel 2:10 be a metaphor?

more to follow but jump to the origins of the thought:
The physical Israel has Star of Remphan on it's flag and Remphan is sun god whom is worshipped by the surrounding nations.
The spiritual Israel worships sun god.
The physical/spiritual surrounding nations have mooncrest on their flags and Allah is believed to be moon god...
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PostSubject: Re: Revelations 6:12-13   Sat Dec 03, 2016 2:45 am

Cool. Do you think the trumpets are literal or not?

By the way - Mark 13:28-29 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near: 29So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.
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PostSubject: Re: Revelations 6:12-13   Sat Dec 03, 2016 4:36 pm

Not cool if the first hypothesis on sun and moon is wrong.

The blowing of trumpet was to indicate His presence e.g.Exodus 19-20, to give warning e.g. Ezekiel 33 or to assemble e.g. Numbers 10.
I thought we had to get familiar with the physical sound of shofat for the last days but I was wrong.
The prophets gave much warning to the people prior to the invasions of the Assyrian and Babylonian armies in the old testament. It will be the same in the end of times when I believe we are in now. Reason? The Assyrians and the Babylonians were His tools to punish the apostate Israel. Today nonbelievers step all over the apostate church and to survive the church must compromise not unlike the old times.
Then again the Messiah said "watch out that no one deceives you."

Mark 13 some have interpreted the fig tree as the re-born Israel nation but offer no explanation to "all the trees" in Luke 21:29-31. Of course many nations gained independence since 1948 but is it what "all the trees" are about?


Arguments of metaphor sun, moon and stars in Revelations 6:12-13:
Genesis 37:9-10...I had another dream....the sun and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me...His father rebuked him and said..."will your mother and I and your brothers actually come and bow down to the ground before you?
Sun, moon and stars here referred to people.

Job 38:7...while the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy.
Isaiah 14:12 How you have fallen from heaven. O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!
Daniel 10:13 But the prince of the Persian kingdom resisted me twenty-one days. Then Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, because I was detained there with the king of Persia.
Revelation 22:16 I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the off spring of David, and the bright Morning Star.
These verses may suggest that the stars are the sons of God. The rise and fall of kingdoms on earth are somehow determined in heaven by the stars.

Psalm 121:6 the sun will not harm you by day, nor the moon by night.
Would the psalmist be referring to the two great lights God created - or - hostile nations represented by sun and moon?

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