obelisk helps us remember peter

Subject: obelisk helps us remember peter Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:27 am

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Quote :: Please also take a look at this example:

Jos 22:11 And when the Israelites heard that they had built the altar on the border of Canaan at Geliloth near the Jordan on the Israelite side,
Jos 22:13 the whole assembly of Israel gathered at Shiloh to go to war against them.
Jos 22:13 So the Israelites sent Phinehas son of Eleazar, the priest, to the land of Gilead--to Reuben, Gad and the half-tribe of Manasseh.
Jos 22:14 With him they sent ten of the chief men, one for each of the tribes of Israel, each the head of a family division among the Israelite clans.
Jos 22:15 When they went to Gilead--to Reuben, Gad and the half-tribe of Manasseh--they said to them:
Jos 22:16 "The whole assembly of the Lord says: 'How could you break faith with the God of Israel like this? How could you turn away from the Lord and build yourselves an altar in rebellion against him now?
Jos 22:17 Was not the sin of Peor enough for us? Up to this very day we have not cleansed ourselves from that sin, even though a plague fell on the community of the Lord!
Jos 22:18 And are you now turning away from the Lord? " 'If you rebel against the Lord today, tomorrow he will be angry with the whole community of Israel.
Jos 22:19 If the land you possess is defiled, come over to the Lord's land, where the Lord's tabernacle stands, and share the land with us. But do not rebel against the Lord or against us by building an altar for yourselves, other than the altar of the Lord our God.
Jos 22:20 When Achan son of Zerah acted unfaithfully regarding the devoted things, did not wrath come upon the whole community of Israel? He was not the only one who died for his sin.' "
Jos 22:21 Then Reuben, Gad and the half-tribe of Manasseh replied to the heads of the clans of Israel:
Jos 22:22 "The Mighty One, God, the Lord! The Mighty One, God, the Lord! He knows! And let Israel know! If this has been in rebellion or disobedience to the Lord, do not spare us this day.
Jos 22:23 If we have built our own altar to turn away from the Lord and to offer burnt offerings and grain offerings, or to sacrifice fellowship offerings on it, may the Lord himself call us to account.
Jos 22:24 "No! We did it for fear that some day your descendants might say to ours, 'What do you have to do with the Lord, the God of Israel?
Jos 22:25 The Lord has made the Jordan a boundary between us and you--you Reubenites and Gadites! You have no share in the Lord.' So your descendants might cause ours to stop fearing the Lord.
Jos 22:26 "That is why we said, 'Let us get ready and build an altar--but not for burnt offerings or sacrifices.'
Jos 22:27 On the contrary, it is to be a witness between us and you and the generations that follow, that we will worship the Lord at his sanctuary with our burnt offerings, sacrifices and fellowship offerings. Then in the future your descendants will not be able to say to ours, 'You have no share in the Lord.'
Jos 22:28 "And we said, 'If they ever say this to us, or to our descendants, we will answer: Look at the replica of the Lord's altar, which our fathers built, not for burnt offerings and sacrifices, but as a witness between us and you.'
Jos 22:29 "Far be it from us to rebel against the Lord and turn away from him today by building an altar for burnt offerings, grain offerings and sacrifices, other than the altar of the Lord our God that stands before his tabernacle."
Jos 22:30 When Phinehas the priest and the leaders of the community--the heads of the clans of the Israelites--heard what Reuben, Gad and Manasseh had to say, they were pleased.
Jos 22:31 And Phinehas son of Eleazar, the priest, said to Reuben, Gad and Manasseh, "Today we know that the Lord is with us, because you have not acted unfaithfully toward the Lord in this matter. Now you have rescued the Israelites from the Lord's hand."
Jos 22:32 Then Phinehas son of Eleazar, the priest, and the leaders returned to Canaan from their meeting with the Reubenites and Gadites in Gilead and reported to the Israelites.
Jos 22:33 They were glad to hear the report and praised God. And they talked no more about going to war against them to devastate the country where the Reubenites and the Gadites lived.

This is an example of how building things does not turn us away from God, but can use to make sure our newer generations will always remember God, and it can actually be regarded as lawful.

Another example:

Jos 24:26 And Joshua recorded these things in the Book of the Law of God. Then he took a large stone and set it up there under the oak near the holy place of the Lord.
Jos 24:27 "See!" he said to all the people. "This stone will be a witness against us. It has heard all the words the Lord has said to us. It will be a witness against you if you are untrue to your God."
Jos 24:28 Then Joshua sent the people away, each to his own inheritance.

The obelisk in Vatican that is left as a memorial to the martyrdom of Peter and other martyrs seem to have a similar meaning.

Come to think of it, statues of Jesus and Mary does help us remember God's plan and grace for us. So they're not really turning us away from God, but towards God. I wonder if the body of Christ represented in the bread has a similar meaning too? To you, you might think saying the bread is Christ's body is a blasphemy, but first of all, Jesus declared it himself, and secondly, this in fact brings a lot of people each week to come to the church to do it in remembrance of Him. Maybe this is Jesus' purpose? Who's taking it more seriously than the Catholic church?

Subject: Re: obelisk helps us remember peter Sat Apr 04, 2009 2:19 pm

yo tony, where is your quote from?

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